My friend ordered this sleev two weeks back, he's been gracious enough to let me use it as a regular training sleeve. I have to say this sleeve is just as good if not better than the gappay. The lining of this sleeve is smooth and has no pinch points like the other redline sleeve. The grip is in the perfect angle so you don't need to fight the positioning on the bite bar. There's a very conveant handle on the end of the sleeve for those good pullers. Only time will tell the durability but the comfort and practicality is five star.